The Art Monk Hall of Fame Campaign

Hall of Fame Candidates

These are potential 2008 Hall of Fame candidates:

  • Cris Carter 
    • Newly eligible in 2008
  • Darrell Green
    • Newly eligible in 2008
  • Paul Tagliabue
    • Eligible since 2007
    • Finalist in 2007
  • Bill Parcells
    • Newly eligible in 2008
    • Top 10 in 2001; Top 7 in 2002
  • Bob Kuechenberg
    • Eligible since 1990
    • Final 6 in 2002; Top 10 in 2003-04, 2006; Finalist in 2005 and 2007
  • Art Monk
    • Eligible since 2001
    • Top 10 in 2001-02, 2005, 2007; Finalist in 2003-04, 2006
  • Derrick Thomas
    • Eligible since 2005
    • Top 10 in 2005, 2007; Finalist in 2006
  • Russ Grimm
    • Eligible since 1997
    • Top 10 in 2005; Finalist in 2006-07
  • Richard Dent
    • Eligible since 2003
    • Top 10 in 2004, 2007; Top 15 in 2005
  • Gary Zimmerman
    • Eligible since 2003
    • Top 10 in 2003; Top 15 in 2004, 2006-07
  • Fred Dean
    • Eligible since 1991
    • Top 10 in 2007
  • Andre Tippett
    • Eligible since 1999
    • Top 10 in 2007
  • Ray Guy
    • Eligible since 1992
    • Finalist in 2002, 2007
  • Andre Reed
    • Eligible since 2007
    • Finalist in 2007 
  • Randy Gradishar
    • Eligible since 1989
    • Top 10 in 2003
  • Lomas Brown
    • Newly eligible in 2008
  • Bryan Cox
    • Newly eligible in 2008
  • Herman Moore
    • Newly eligible in 2008
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30 Comments »

  1. I hope it’s not to late to leave a comment?
    Anyway I will take my chances,I think your endeavor to get the great Art Monk on to the ballot is very honorable. But I would like to suggest someone who I feel was a lot more important to the team than any single receiver and he never even used his hands. I’m talking about the field general himself Ray Guy . With one punt he could put your team back into a hole way back. This guy no pun intended was so good that the raiders could afford to take chanced on 3rd and long! He created a lot of different oppurtunties that you don’t see anymore.Look at some of his stats yet he is just a punter right? it depends whether you have your three D glasses on or not.
    Say it with me Ray Guy Hall of FAME!
    tia
    Mark

    Comment by Mark Phillips — August 4, 2006 @ 7:35 pm

  2. What about Gino Cappelletti?

    Print, sign and mail in the 1 page petition found on http://www.espnboston.com

    Thanks

    Comment by bob hyldburg — August 20, 2006 @ 10:57 am

  3. It is looking like the two seniors candidates, Green and Carter are shoo-ins for 2008. That leaves two spots open. With the seemingly growing support that Tippett was the second best LB during the 1980s (which both excites me and honestly surprises me as a Pats fan), that seems to leave 1 spot. My top three candidates for that spot from the list above are Monk, Grimm and Zimmerman. All three of the above should be there, but I think it would be more likely that Grimm gets in on behalf of all of the Hogs or Zimmerman who is on TWO all decade teams than Monk as a second receiver. Unfortunately it may be 2009 before Monk gets in.

    Comment by Evan — July 16, 2007 @ 5:21 pm

  4. How did Andre Reed not get selected in 2007???
    I plan on attending next years ceremony, being a huge Cris Carter/ Vikings Fan.
    If he does not get in on the first ballot then I do not believe there should even be an NFL Hall Of Fame!!!

    Comment by J Maz — August 3, 2007 @ 4:10 pm

  5. Cris Carter should get in, but not before Monk. Carter’s regular season stats were compiled in the pass-happy 90s, while Monk set the season catch record of 106 in 1984, six seasons before any other NFL receiver got to 100. Also, let’s compare their playoff performance: Monk had more catches per playoff game and more receiving yards per playoff game than Carter, and only .1 (one tenth)of a touchdown less than Carter (CC’s supposed specialty). In playoff games Monk played in, the Redskins were 10-5, with 2 super bowl wins and another super bowl appearance. Carter’s Philly and Minnesota teams were 4-10 in the playoffs,never making an appearance in the super bowl and never once winning a divisional or champ game on the road, mostly beating up on “good story” teams like jake Plummer’s Cardinals and Aaron Brooks’ Saints. In 1987 Monk and the ‘Skins went to Chicago and dominated the defending SB champs. Monk caught 2 touchdown passes in that game. In 1990 they went to Philly and won w/ Monk catching the only TD of the game. In 1992 Monk and the ‘Skins went to Minnesota and beat Carter and the Vikings. The point is that Monk and the ‘Skins were actually a little on the “money” side when it came to the playoffs, while Carter and his Eagles and Vikings teams were decidedly underacheiving in the postseason. In his two NFC championship appearances, Carter averaged less than 50 yds and caught zero tds. His highly-favored Vikings were beaten by Jammal Anderson and the Falcons in Minnesota and his slightly favored Vikings were trounced 41-0 by the Kerry Collins-led Giants. Monk’s NFC champ game stats wre superior to Carter’s, averaging 5 catches for 85 yards and catching a TD in 1991. These stats are not overwhelmingly better, but keep in mind that Monk’s teams went 2-1 in those games while Carter’s Vikings were 0-2. Again, I do think Carter should get in, just not before Monk.
    Another point:
    Voters have downgraded Monk for not being the ‘Skins top receiver in some seasons. First of all, in two of those seasons Monk trailed the team leader by only one catch, and in another he lost three games to injury, still finishing with more catches than Ricky Sanders. Secondly, Monk is not alone in this when it comes to great WRs. Charlie Joiner was not the leading pass-catcher on 14 of the 19 teams he played with. He is in the HOF. John Stallworth was his team’s leading receiver in only 5 of his 14 pro seasons. He is in the HOF. Fred Biletnikoff was only his team’s leading receiver 3 times in his 14 year career. He is in the HOF. This is apparently not a valid argument against inducting Art Monk. I have yet to hear one. Green and Monk in 2008!

    Comment by remember the redskins — August 4, 2007 @ 1:30 pm

  6. Where is Phil Simms? this guy never had a great wide receiver and still won. I love Joe Morris but he is no hall of fame running back.

    Comment by JP — August 5, 2007 @ 8:50 am

  7. Terrell Davis. Shhh. Don’t start. You Know he deserves it.

    Comment by Watts — August 6, 2007 @ 8:01 am

  8. In considering Monk vs. Cris Carter, Tim Brown and Andre Reed, it should be noted that Monk’s personal playoff stats are the best of the bunch. His yards per game, catches per game, and yards per catch numbers beat out those of Carter, Brown, and Reed. Carter and Reed have Very Small advantages in TDs per game, while Monk beats out Brown even in this category. Playoff TD numbers are close, even though all of these other guys played in passing-first offenses, while Monk’s Redskins teams were power running teams at heart. If you compare each of these guys’ numbers in NFC/AFC Championship games, Monk sweeps ALL categories, outgaining the next best candidate by nearly 40 YARDS a game!
    Not only this, but Monk and the Redskins faced Much better competition in their playoff games. If you compare these candidates based on the number of Super Bowl winners and losers they played during their post season exploits, you’ll find that Monk and the ‘Skins come out WAY on top.
    Consider these purely anectdotal facts: Carter and the Vikings lost their two NFC Championship game appearances to the Chris Chandler-led Atlanta Falcons and the Kerry Collins-led NY Giants. Monk and the ‘Skins NEVER lost a playoff game to a team that was more than 2 years removed from a Super Bowl championship. I’ve created a statistic to compare the greatness of playoff opponents called the POGQ (playoff opponent greatness quotient) which I will not trouble you with here. Suffice to say, Monk and the ‘Skins win out in that comparison. Not only that, the teams who Monk and the ‘Skins faced in the playoffs actually had a higher regular season winning percentage than those faced by Carter, Brown or Reed.

    So Monk put up better personal playoff numbers, while his team was winning a higher percentage of their playoff games, against stronger playoff competition, and bringing home Super Bowl rings.
    All those pro bowls these other guys went to must look pretty insignificant.

    I have prepared a powerpoint presentation on this subject. If the person running this site would like a copy, please e-mail me and let me know where I can send it as an attachment.

    Comment by remember the redskins — September 28, 2007 @ 10:34 am

  9. Here is the list of the preliminary nominees for 2008:

    NOMINEES IN FIRST YEAR OF ELIGIBILITY

    WIDE RECEIVERS – Cris Carter, Herman Moore

    RUNNING BACK – Eric Metcalf (also WR/KR/PR)

    OFFENSIVE LINEMEN (TACKLES) – Tony Boselli, Lomas Brown, Richmond Webb

    LINEBACKERS – Levon Kirkland, Hardy Nickerson

    DEFENSIVE BACK – Darrell Green (CB)

    ADDITIONAL NOMINEES FOR THE CLASS OF 2008

    QUARTERBACKS – Ken Anderson, Randall Cunningham, Boomer Esiason, Jim Plunkett, Phil Simms, Ken Stabler, Joe Theismann, Danny White, Doug Williams

    RUNNING BACKS – Ottis Anderson, Roger Craig, Terrell Davis, Herschel Walker, Ricky Watters

    WIDE RECEIVERS – Cliff Branch, Harold Carmichael, Dwight Clark, Gary Clark, Isaac Curtis, Henry Ellard, Roy Green, *Art Monk, Drew Pearson, *Andre Reed

    TIGHT ENDS – Mark Bavaro, Todd Christensen, Ben Coates, Russ Francis, Brent Jones, Jay Novacek

    OFFENSIVE LINEMEN – Jim Covert (T), Dermontti Dawson (C), *Russ Grimm (G), Jay Hilgenberg (C), Kent Hill (G/T), Chris Hinton (G/T), Kent Hull (C), Joe Jacoby (T), Mike Kenn (T), *Bob Kuechenberg (G), Jim Lachey (T), Mark May (T/G/C), Randall McDaniel (G), Jeff Van Note (C), Steve Wisniewski (G), *Gary Zimmerman (T)

    DEFENSIVE LINEMEN – Ray Childress (DT/DE), *Fred Dean (DE), *Richard Dent (DE), Chris Doleman (DE/LB), Jacob Green (DE), Charles Haley (DE/LB), Jim Jeffcoat (DE), Ed “Too Tall” Jones (DE), Cortez Kennedy (DT), Joe Klecko (DE/DT/NT), Fred Smerlas (NT)

    LINEBACKERS – Cornelius Bennett, Matt Blair, Robert Brazile, Randy Gradishar, Kevin Greene (LB/DE), Ken Harvey, Rickey Jackson, Wilber Marshall, Clay Matthews, Karl Mecklenburg, Sam Mills, Pat Swilling, Darryl Talley, *Derrick Thomas, *Andre Tippett

    DEFENSIVE BACKS – Eric Allen (CB), Steve Atwater (S), Joey Browner (S), LeRoy Butler (S), Raymond Clayborn (CB), Nolan Cromwell (S), Kenny Easley (S), Lester Hayes (CB), Albert Lewis (CB), Ken Riley (CB), Donnie Shell (S), Louis Wright (CB)

    KICKER/PUNTERS – *Ray Guy (P), Nick Lowery (K), Reggie Roby (P)

    SPECIAL TEAMS – Elbert Shelley (S), Steve Tasker (WR)

    COACHES – Don Coryell, Tom Flores, Jimmy Johnson, Chuck Knox, Buddy Parker, Clark Shaughnessy, Ernie Zampese

    CONTRIBUTORS – K. S. “Bud” Adams, Jr., Gil Brandt, C. O. Brocato, Leo Carlin, Ed DeBartolo, Jr., Pat Haggerty, Bob Harlan, Jerry Jones, Bucko Kilroy, Art McNally, Art Modell, Art Rooney, Jr., Ed Sabol, Steve Sabol, *Paul Tagliabue, Jim Tunney, Ralph Wilson, Jr., Ron Wolf, George Young

    I personally see 14 guys on this list who I think should definitely end up enshrined eventually (not necessarily this year).
    These include: Cris Carter, Darrell Green, Roger Craig, Art Monk, Jay Novacek, Russ Grimm, Jay Hilgenberg, Joe Jacoby, Bob Kuechenberg, Randall McDaniel, Gary Zimmerman, Derrick Thomas, Lester Hayes, & Ed Sabol of NFL Films. Obviously, I lean towards guys who had individual and team success in the playoffs, as well as having an affinity for Offensive Linemen.

    I’d love to see other people’s opinions on this list.

    Comment by remember the redskins — October 31, 2007 @ 9:42 am

  10. Where is Jim Marshall???

    Comment by mike — October 31, 2007 @ 5:01 pm

  11. Jim Marshall has been retired more than 25 years and is now only eligible as a senior candidate.

    Comment by Ben Etkin — October 31, 2007 @ 6:55 pm

  12. Sorry, 1 more.
    I failed to list Andre Reed, who should also be inducted.

    This year, I’d love to see Monk, Reed, Darrell Green, Gary Zimmerman, and Derrick Thomas go in.

    That clears space for other WR candidates in future years without ommitting Monk and Reed. Meanwhile, the under-represented offensive linemen and defensive players get some love.

    Anybody else got ideal classes of ‘08?

    Comment by remember the redskins — November 2, 2007 @ 8:21 am

  13. There are a lot of great candidates that surely should get in. Monk, Thomas and Guy should have been in. Reed, Green and Carter are sure to get in if not this year soon but there are two candidates that I think people really don’t consider to be Hall of Famers and that is Randall Cunningham and Ricky Waters. Even though he doesn’t really get the credit but Randall was one of the first Quarterbacks to change how defenses played the game. He was Michael Vick way before we even knew Vick existed and he was a way better passer. He is what every offense in the near future is going to need to be successful and that’s a versatile signal caller. And Watters has the numbers to put him in the Hall. He has over 10,000 rushing, over 400 receptions, 97 touchdowns(not including playoffs) and he has something that neither Thurman or Barry has and that is a super bowl championship. A championship in which he scored three touchdowns in. He is one of the best running backs to ever operate in the West Coast Offense. I know you guys go after the ones who have the “Numbers” but these two guys have the “Numbers” and they are big part of changing how the game is played today. Be smart and put them in the Hall. They deserve it!

    Comment by carlos cross — November 25, 2007 @ 6:29 am

  14. Pat Fischer is long overdue. He played Left Cornerback for the Cardinals and then for the Redskins during their ‘Over the Hill Gang” days. He was a starter every year he played… for 17 years.
    George Allen, HOF Head Coach of the Redskins said Fischer should be a HOFer. Vince Lombardi respected and started him too in 1969. He’s tied for 10th in All-Time interceptions and hit like a linebacker. This is extremely amazing considering that he was only 5’ 7″ and weighed “about 160 pounds if you wrapped him up in a lot of tape” (Dan Abramowitz). He used to take on pulling guards by dipping under them to make tackles behind the line of scrimmage. He is listed as one of the top 100 hitters of all-time by NFL Films. He was the man accredated for developing the ‘bump and run’ technique.

    Mr. Fischer told me himself that Steve Sabol (of NFL Films) had said that the Fischer highlight film was the most requested film of all time because High School coaches used it to inspire their kids across the country. He represents the ‘old school’ hit men of the secondary, when football truely was a ‘contact’ sport.
    Fischer said in his NFL highlight film “You might catch it and you might get the first down, but I’m going to have to hit you. I’m going to have to punish you, and that’s the rule”. Pat Fischer is the type of player that should be representing the HOF….

    Comment by Roy Shields — November 26, 2007 @ 7:58 pm

  15. Alright first of all Tim Brown needs to be in the HOF he had amazing regular season production and I really don’t beleive that Monk’s productioon in the playoffs outways what Brown did without having a great quarterback

    What is everybody’s wit h TD making the HOF?

    Randall Cunningham needs to make the Hall simply because it was so fun to watch him. For those of you who are in love with stats he won the MVP award so that should cover that.

    Comment by JZ — November 29, 2007 @ 4:08 pm

  16. I think Tim Brown definitely belongs, but he’s not eligible for a couple of years, and when you consider the difference in era, his numbers really aren’t that much better than Monk’s. Also, Monk held three different league records at the end of his career, while Tim Brown never held any significant league records. When you then factor in the fact that Monk had better personal playoff stats than Brown did, while his team was winning Super Bowls and Brown never did, Monk comes out on top in my book.

    But hey, they both belong.

    Comment by remember the redskins — November 29, 2007 @ 9:05 pm

  17. here are the 5 guys that I think should be in.

    Cris Carter – As “duh” a selection as there is on this year’s list. One of the five greatest wide receivers EVER, and should be a lock to be in Canton in August.

    Darrell Green – I’m doing this alphabetically, but he’s actually the fifth of my five choices. He was an outstanding player, possessing a streak of having at least one interception in 19 straight seasons, and was one of the first to truly define the term “shutdown cornerback.”

    Ray Guy – If you’re not going to put this guy into the Hall of Fame, then you shouldn’t put any kicker or punter in there at all. The greatest punter I ever saw.

    Paul Tagliabue – Oversaw the time of the NFL’s biggest growth, and had quite a bit to do with it as well.

    Derrick Thomas – If not for the accident that cut his life tragically short, he would have put up enough numbers to get into the Hall without question. As it stands now, he was an outstanding player, one of the dominant pass rushers of his generation, and he deserves a spot.

    The next couple guys on my list would have been Randall McDaniel and Art Monk. Look, I’d love for Art Monk to get into the Hall of Fame eventually, and he deserves to be there. But am I taking him over Cris Carter? No. Hell no. There’s simply no compelling reason for me to do so. Yes, Monk has rings, Carter doesn’t. Big deal. The Hall of Fame is for individual accomplishments, not team accomplishments, and Cris Carter was a flat-out better receiver than Art Monk.

    I think that Randall McDaniel should get in, too. He dominated from the guard position for his entire career, starting from his first game as a Minnesota Viking. But I don’t think he’s going to get in this year.

    —– signed The Daily Norseman
    A Minnesota Vikings Blog

    Comment by Gonzo — November 30, 2007 @ 10:33 pm

  18. Gonzo-
    As much as I respect your man Carter and think that he ought to get in pretty soon, he just doesn’t fit the bill for a first-ballot guy. A first ballot guy would have done better PERSONALLY in the playoffs. I’m not just saying that the Vikings lost lots of playoff games (they did; they were 4-10 in the playoffs while Carter was there), I’m saying Carter is part of the reason they didn’t do better. He only topped the century mark twice in the playoffs. He averaged 45.5 yards in his two NFC Championship game appearances and did not score a single TD in those games. He just didn’t carry them when he needed to. Monk actually had better personal playoff stats than Carter did while his team was winning more playoff games (they were 10-5 with Monk) against stronger playoff competition than what the Vikes faced. Is Carter a Hall of Famer?-definitely. First ballot?- nope. Not in my eyes.
    This is a situation where taking care of a guy who has been waiting awhile (Monk) and asking a guy who will definitely get in pretty soon to wait one or two years (Carter) is the thing to do.

    Comment by remember the redskins — December 2, 2007 @ 1:36 am

  19. Monk should be in ahead of Carter. Playoffs do matter. Monk had more yards per game in playoffs than Swann, Stallworth, Lofton, Largent, Reed, Carter or Brown. The all-time receptions leader went from Raymond Berry to Maynard to Charley Taylor to Joiner to Largent to Monk to Rice. All are in the Hall, except Rice and Monk. Berry won 2 titles, Maynard 1 and Taylor, Joiner and Largent combined for zero. Monk and Rice won 3. Plus every player on this list played with a HOF QB except Monk and Largent. And no doubt the NFC East during Monk’s prime was the toughest division of any. Of yeah, which guy blocked the best on the list? Seriously, Monk is way overdue for his call.

    Comment by overdue — December 23, 2007 @ 6:01 pm

  20. More Comparisons between Monk and Carter:

    In comparing the greatest games of Monk’s career to those of Carter, we are faced with interesting results. I’ll lay each guy’s yardage totals from his top performances out and rank them from #1 to #5, then put an asterisk next to the better stat.

    REGULAR SEASON
    Monk’s #1 game in yardage: 230*
    Carter’s #1 game in yards: 168

    Monk #2: 200*
    Carter #2: 167

    Monk #3: 174*
    Carter #3: 162

    Monk #4: 168*
    Carter #4: 157

    Monk #5: 164*
    Carter #5: 151

    PLAYOFFS
    Monk’s #1 game in yardage: 163*
    Carter’s #1 game in yards: 120

    Monk #2: 126*
    Carter #2: 106

    Monk #3: 122*
    Carter #3: 93

    Monk #4: 113*
    Carter #4: 83

    Monk #5: 94*
    Carter #5: 83

    So, as you can see, in both the regular season and playoffs, Art Monk’s top five games in yardage are better than Cris Carter’s top five.

    “But wait!” you say, “this list doesn’t consider touchdowns!”

    This is true… OK let’s find each guy’s best five regular season and playoff games based on fantasy scoring. We’ll use the scoring system which the fantasy league I belong to employs. Every ten yards the player gains will earn 1 point and each touchdown will earn the player 6 points.

    FANTASY SCORING-

    REGULAR SEASON
    Monk’s #1 Game: 32 pts=
    Carter’s #1 Game: 32 pts=

    Monk’s #2 Game: 29 pts*
    Carter’s #2 Game: 27 pts

    Monk’s #3 Game: 28 pts*
    Carter’s #3 Game: 27 pts

    Monk’s #4 Game: 27 pts*
    Carter’s #4 Game: 26 pts

    Monk’s #5 Game: 25 pts=
    Carter’s #5 Game: 25 pts=

    PLAYOFFS
    Monk’s #1 Game: 23 pts*
    Carter’s #1 Game: 21 pts

    Monk’s #2 Game: 20 pts*
    Carter’s #2 Game: 18 pts

    Monk’s #3 Game: 18 pts*
    Carter’s #3 Game: 16 pts

    Monk’s #4 Game: 15 pts*
    Carter’s #4 Game: 14 pts

    Monk’s #5 Game: 12 pts=
    Carter’s #5 Game: 12 pts=

    So in a comparison of Art Monk’s and Cris Carter’s top 5 regular season and playoff games based on fantasy scoring, which takes both yardage and TDs into account, a Win-Loss-Tie record for Monk comes out as 7-0-3. Carter does not win outright in any one of these comparisons. The best Carter does is to tie Monk on three occasions.

    This is simply another example of how Monk is actually a better candidate for the Hall of Fame than Carter is. Each guy will have his own strengths and weaknesses, but the perception that Carter is a clearly better candidate is simply erroneous. Both of these great professionals belong in the Hall of Fame, but Monk is the one with three Super Bowl rings in comparison to Carter’s zero Super Bowl appearances. Monk is the one who held three league records in comparison to Carter’s one. Monk is the one who had better personal stats in the playoffs when compared to Carter. Monk is the one who has been patiently waiting for several years, while Carter is in his frist year of eligibility.

    If only one of these guys can get in this year, it should be Monk.

    Comment by remember the redskins — January 8, 2008 @ 5:19 pm

  21. If Randall Cunningham doesn’t make the hall, there is truly no justice in the world. You talk about how Simms never had a reciever, well yeah, point given, but the most important thing is the offensive line, and Randall had some of the worst groups to ever set their miserable selves on a football field. Also, a running game so the opposing d has to consider both running and passing game a threat. Randall never had any of these except for his one year with Minnesota where he played 14 and a half games, and we all saw what he could do then. With the exception of that year, he never had an elite reciver either. He had some good ones, better probably than the ones Simms had, but Quick was beat up and at the end of his road, Barnett was good and talented, but coaching never used him to his potential, or use Carter at all. Not to mention what he did for black Quarterbacks, or the fact that he is the best running Quarteback ever by far. Vick isn’t even in his league running or passing, and his O line is light years better than Randall’s were. Simms wasn’t 1/8 the player Randall was either, he simply had a better supporting cast, and his stats weren’t even comprable. Simply put, Cunningham is definitely in the top 25 passers of all time, that is a fact. I’d put him at 18, and I may be a little biased, but no even half intelligent person could rank him below number 30. And that doesn’t even take into account his running ability, his helping to break the color barrier, and that he was just plain fun to watch. You never knew what you might see with him. He was truly magic. The Bruce smith escape in his own end zone, to launch a 65 yard pass into the wind, and Freddy Barnett jumps up and plucks it out of the air and takes it the other 33 yards! One of the 10 best plays in NFL history. The Carl Banks play (everyone knows that.) His 500 yard passing day to lead that incredible comeback against Washington. 407 yards passing in the Fog Bowl, and the refs screwed them calling back 2 consecutive touchdowns on weak calls, that was the playoffs. Plus they had those white jerseys, and the Bears’ were black, how he threw for 407 yards that day, we’ll never know. And then there was the 91 yard punt, the 3rd longest in NFL history! The guys a QB, and a great one, oh what’s that you say it was a fluke, well maybe you should do a little research and you won’t look stupid as much, he also had an 80 yard punt a few years later. If ever there were a truly deserving first year hall of fame inductee, other than the Joes and Barrys, Dans and Walters, it is most certainly Randall Cunningham, the most exciting player to ever put on a pair of shoulder pads. I pray that justice is done here, it truly seems to be in short supply lately!

    Comment by Bill — April 6, 2008 @ 7:46 pm

  22. A couple of quick thoughts on the members of the “Hogs” who are eligible for the Hall of Fame:

    1) It appears, unfortunately, that they will have to wait a couple of years because of other O-linemen w/ more personal accolades who are also in line (McDaniel & arguably Kuechenberg).

    2) I’m not personally sure why there has been so much more support for Grimm than Jacoby. Is it because Grimm is now a well respected coach in the league? Is it because Grimm had one more all-pro selection than Jacoby?

    On the other hand, Jacoby was more a part of the Redskins’ Super Bowl runs in ’87 & ’91 than Grimm was. Grimm was hurt during large portions of the Super Bowl XXII season and was not a starter during the Super Bowl XXVI season. Jacoby started every game in both of these seasons. While these two guys were basically joined at the hip during their early years, Jacoby actually played at a higher level for longer than Grimm did. Nothing against Grimm, I love both of these guys. I’d just like to hear other people’s perspectives on this.

    Comment by remember the redskins — July 2, 2008 @ 12:28 pm

  23. My picks for the Professional Football Hall of Fame in 2009:

    Cris Carter

    Bob Kuechenberg

    Bruce Smith

    Rod Woodson

    Derrick Thomas

    Bob Hayes

    Comment by remember the redskins — September 8, 2008 @ 6:25 pm

  24. 2010 should include:

    Jerry Rice

    Emmitt Smith

    Randall McDaniel

    Richard Dent

    Chris Hanburger (9 Pro Bowls, 4-Time 1st team All-Pro, Captain of George Allen-era ‘Skins defenses, 1st team all-pro in 1972 when ‘skins attended the Super Bowl)

    Comment by remember the redskins — September 8, 2008 @ 6:34 pm

  25. can someone explain to me how tippett got in before doleman? come on!

    Comment by christopher — September 14, 2008 @ 6:04 pm

  26. My understanding is that the Hall of Fame voters believed that Tippet was a better overall player, with 100 sacks and as a tough run-stopper. Basically, they looked at the list of defensive candidates and thought that Tippet was the best LB available and that Dean was the best DL available to induct. I have different viewpoints on who they should have chosen, but that is what I am hearing.

    It’s possible that the Vikings players of the late 80s-90s are going in slowly (Carter will almost surely go in this coming year, and McDaiel won’t be far behind) due to their limited post season success. The voters seem to be looking around and asking themselves, “if they had so many great players, how come they didn’t win more?” This is the same phenomenon that might be hurting both Andre Reed and Kent Hull of the Bills. If the 2-time champ Giants have only 2 Hall-of-Famers and the 3-time champ Redskins only recently were boosted up to 3, how do these teams rate an equal or greater number? Weren’t the Vikings and Bills beaten just about every time they faced these teams during their primes?
    Chris Doleman, Cris Carter, John Randle, Randall McDaniel, and this year’s inductee, Gary Zimmerman, were all part of a Vikings franchise that went 0-7 vs. Washington during the Gibbs I era, including three playoff losses.

    Meanwhile, the 5-time champion 49ers currently have only 4 Hall-of-Famers from those years. The idea that those Vikings, a team that never even attended a Super Bowl, should have just as many HOFers as those GREAT 49ers teams has to rub many voters the wrong way.

    Comment by remember the redskins — September 15, 2008 @ 6:39 pm

  27. Just because the vikings had poor coaching does not take away from the great players they were. The players do not make the decisions on game day the coaches do. Come on Cris Carter is one of the five best wide receivers of all time and was selected as one the best college receivers of all time. He had the best hands of any receiver that I have ever seen play the game perioid. I believe that he should be inducted in 2009 right along with Chris Doleman I also got to watch him in his prime and he was a dominating defensive end which is why he is in the top ten all time sack leaders. Randall Cunningham was to me just an abive average quarterback. For Andre Tippet to have gotten voted in before Doleman is a travesty and the voters should pull their heads out of thier behind and quit voting for mostly East coast players and start giving the rest of the players their due who are being short changed.

    Comment by jw — December 2, 2008 @ 1:14 am

  28. also Washington sucks and AD is a better back than portis

    Comment by jw — December 2, 2008 @ 1:16 am

  29. JW-
    Wow, that’s a lot of stuff to address, but I’ll try…

    1) Ask any coach. He’ll tell you that it’s the players who win games. Was it really Dennis Green’s fault that the Vikings just plain didn’t show up against the Giants in 2000? Those guys are professionals, and they looked like they didn’t care. I’ve never seen a coach throw a pass or make a tackle.

    2) Yes, Carter was great. And he should be inducted this year. I’ve never said otherwise. I only said that considering past voting patterns, 2008 should be for Monk and 2009 should be for Carter. If the voters had been on top of the Monk situation sooner, Carter would not have had to wait. They weren’t. He did.
    -one year ain’t much to be upset about. Trust me.

    3)Personally, my memory of Doleman is that he was just an awesome pass rusher, but not much else. Tippett, on the other hand, played a very complete game. I’ll go back and look harder at Doleman and see what I find.

    4) Players not from the east coast are getting left out? Really?
    Let’s see…
    Fred Dean (SD and SF)
    Emmitt Thomas (KC)
    Gary Zimmerman (Minn & Den)
    Bruce Matthews (Hou)
    Roger Wehrli (StL)
    Michael Irvin (Dal)
    Rayfield Wright (Dal)
    Warren Moon (Hou, Minn, Sea…)
    John Madden (Oak)
    Troy Aikman (Dal)
    Steve Young (SF)
    John Elway (Den)
    Carl Eller (Minn)
    Hank Stram (KC)
    Elvin Bethea (Hou)
    Marcus Allen (Oak & KC)
    Dan Hampton (Chi)
    Dave Casper (Oak)
    Jack Youngblood (LA)
    Jackie Slater (LA)
    Mike Munchak (Hou)
    Joe Montana (SF)
    Ronnie Lott (SF)
    Howie Long (Raiders)
    Tom Mack (LA)
    Eric Dickerson (LA)
    Mike Singletary (Chi)
    Paul Krause (Minn)
    Mike Haynes (Raiders)
    Mel Renfro (Dal)
    Charlie Joiner (SD)
    Kellen Winslow (SD)
    Steve Largent (Sea)
    Henry Jordan (GB)
    Randy White (Dal)
    Jackie Smith (StL & Dal)
    Bud Grant (Minn)
    Tony Dorsett (Dal)
    Jimmy Johnson (SF)
    Bill Walsh (SF)
    Walter Payton (Chi)
    Dan Fouts (SD)
    Al Davis (Oak)
    Jan Stenerud (KC, GB & Minn)
    Tex Schramm (Dal)
    Stan Jones (Chi)
    Earl Campbell (Hou)
    Bob St. Clair (SF)
    Tom Landry (Dal)
    Ted Hendricks (Oak)
    Buck Buchanan (KC)
    Art Shell (Oak)
    Willie Wood (GB)

    That’s 53 players known mostly for playing on teams in or west of Chicago, St. Louis and Texas(I went ahead and claimed Ohio and Detroit as “East coast” even though they aren’t). and that’s just in the last 20 years, which means 2.65 players a year fit this description.
    103 players were inducted over that time, so that’s more than half.
    …I’m sorry, but I just don’t see the problem…

    5) As far as Washington Sucking…

    Redskins: 3 Super Bowl Wins

    Vikings: 0 Super Bowl Wins

    ’nuff said.

    Comment by remember the redskins — December 3, 2008 @ 7:39 pm

  30. “Ray Guy – If you’re not going to put this guy into the Hall of Fame, then you shouldn’t put any kicker or punter in there at all. The greatest punter I ever saw.”

    -Actually, the greatest punter in NFL history was not primarily known as a punter. He just died recently and his name was Sammy Baugh!

    Look it up. Sammy’s career punting average is the highest in league history!

    Comment by remember the redskins — December 18, 2008 @ 11:23 am


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